Have a look at:
https://www.opencart.com/index.php?rout ... n_id=36706
And:
https://www.opencart.com/index.php?rout ... n_id=37931
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People scan sites and don't read. So a lot of stuff need to be right in you're face, no excuses missing it.
I think the problem here is that we have two kind of themes..timstudio wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:44 pmProblem with the theme's mentioned above is that they are quite minimalistic. I sell a graphic orientated items with lots of options. With 800 visitors a day I learned quite quick that most of the remarks from customers are: I didn't see this, I didn't read that. After I completely redesigned my site with USP's on every page on strategic points, explanations on strategic points etc my business tripled. A theme like journal (or alternative) gives you this freedom that is often needed to be competitive is certain markets nowadays. Full control on layout. This can ofcourse be done with extensions, but that is, as mentioned in another thread, a problem of itself.
People scan sites and don't read. So a lot of stuff need to be right in you're face, no excuses missing it.
The ones that do required a developer to make changes and the ones that are customisable by the user with no knowledge of code required. You also have two kind of customers. The ones that are happy to learn the ropes and don't mind to play with settings and solve issues along the way, and the one that prefer to pay somebody to do the lot for what ever reason they may have..
The two listed above belong to the second group. They are not minimalistic. They are simply designed with no customer setting input in mind. They are fast and allow the developer to maintain the requested relation by the customer of the second group.
You are obviously a person belonging to the first group of customer. You like to be in full control of your site and therefore are looking for a theme that allows you to do so without having to get too deep in either the code or your pockets.. There is nothing wrong with that. So it seems, that we need both type of theme, but I don't think you can really compare the two listed above with Journal as, while doing the exact same job, those themes, are designed to fit two completely different kind of customers.
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The problem is not that Journal is incredibly customizable - that's a good thing and it has some great features and looks good. The problem is that the code is an absolute mess so it's incredibly difficult for developers to work with.
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My point. As most customer using Journal don't need a developer to work on their theme, how is that a problem? To you, yes it is a problem, to them, not really..paulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:18 pmThe problem is that the code is an absolute mess so it's incredibly difficult for developers to work with.
Over 95% of all computer problems can be traced back to the interface between the keyboard and the chair...
Sometimes a customer wants to do something that cannot be done in the admin or install some extension or change how something works. But because it's so complex, even the best developers will struggle.
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That to me sound more like a customer that belong to the second group trying to jump in the first group a bit prematurely... You can't blame Journal code for that.. To a customer that belong to the first group, Journal code will look just fine as he wants to learn and that will be probably his learning experience..paulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:42 pmSometimes a customer wants to do something that cannot be done in the admin or install some extension or change how something works. But because it's so complex, even the best developers will struggle.
Look, I get it. You don't like to work on Journal code and I respect that. But from a customer belonging to the first group, that's completely irrelevant as he/she doesn't need you. I believe that Journal it is designed for that group of people that don't care what so ever what the code looks like, because they are happy to work with it... It could be in Mandarin for what they care...
Over 95% of all computer problems can be traced back to the interface between the keyboard and the chair...
You don't get it.Burt65 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:56 pmLook, I get it. You don't like to work on Journal code and I respect that. But from a customer belonging to the first group, that's completely irrelevant as he/she doesn't need you. I believe that Journal it is designed for that group of people that don't care what so ever what the code looks like, because they are happy to work with it... It could be in Mandarin for what they care...
Code quality matters, not because it looks pretty but because if your site is built on spaghetti code it will cause you serious problems when you want to make changes.
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Again, customer group one will surely cross that bridge once they get there because they don't care what the code looks like. If they did they would possibly be in the same boat as you are.. No matter how badly something is written or built, if it works, makes you money and it is cheap to run. The entire Chinese economy is built on the same principle and, well I don't need to tell you, where their economy is positioned in the world scale...paulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:59 pmYou don't get it.Burt65 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:56 pmLook, I get it. You don't like to work on Journal code and I respect that. But from a customer belonging to the first group, that's completely irrelevant as he/she doesn't need you. I believe that Journal it is designed for that group of people that don't care what so ever what the code looks like, because they are happy to work with it... It could be in Mandarin for what they care...
Code quality matters, not because it looks pretty but because if your site is built on spaghetti code it will cause you serious problems when you want to make changes.
Yes, I think Journal is like a Korean/Chinese car. It's cheap, not that pretty once you get to see the quality, but it will last for few years and get you there much cheaper than using a Limo...
Over 95% of all computer problems can be traced back to the interface between the keyboard and the chair...
It takes a lot of time and effort to learn how to properly design a website. There are many sites out there where the designers just haven’t learned these principles at all. Bless their hearts.paulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:18 pmIt's CSS-only, so no options are available in the admin other than those built-in to OpenCart.
But because it is simple and well-coded it would be quick and easy for any front-end CSS zameen ezameen.pk/rudn-enclave rent a car dubai developer to customize it.
Indeed.akhirakhir wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:26 amIt takes a lot of time and effort to learn how to properly design a website. There are many sites out there where the designers just haven’t learned these principles at all. Bless their hearts.
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I really hope you don't call yourself a developer.Burt65 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:12 pmAgain, customer group one will surely cross that bridge once they get there because they don't care what the code looks like. If they did they would possibly be in the same boat as you are.. No matter how badly something is written or built, if it works, makes you money and it is cheap to run.
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Most accurate comment I've seen here so far!
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I totally agree here also.
But i would love for Opencart to have is a more customizable template framework.
As a frontend developer for Joomla and Wordpress i have come to love http://gantry.org/ both because its easy to implement positions for modules (joomla) and widgets (WP) but also because its so damn easy to rearrange everything and if i need it i can build my own input fields and display them where i want.
Thats super easy for me and even easier for my clients.
The way the standard template works in opencart does not allow for the same flexibility by a long shot and so its easier to just download and install Journal.
Thats allow me to focus on building a great design and my clients feel some freedom as they have more control.
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Except that Journal3 is so poorly programmed, see e.g. this for more details. The Journal authors don't contribute to the OpenCart project.The way the standard template works in opencart does not allow for the same flexibility by a long shot and so its easier to just download and install Journal.
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Never have! I would be afraid to end up like you!
But what has this got to do with this thread?? Don't you have customers to support???
Over 95% of all computer problems can be traced back to the interface between the keyboard and the chair...
True, you wouldn't want to end up actually knowing something
Um the fact the thread is called "Why are there so many Terrible themes?!" and we're talking about code quality means it helps if you have a basic understanding of software development?
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